Comments on: How Much Protein in One Meal http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/ Eat Stop Eat, Intermittent fastin for Weight Loss, Muscle Building, Fasting and health Mon, 14 May 2012 06:00:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-6372 Chris Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:50:01 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-6372 I'm pretty sure your body adapts to change just like muscle growth. I like to keep things simple and remember that your bodies respond as part of our natural defense system. We build muscle to defend ourselfs and digest more to help repair our mucles. Just my 2c I’m pretty sure your body adapts to change just like muscle growth. I like to keep things simple and remember that your bodies respond as part of our natural defense system. We build muscle to defend ourselfs and digest more to help repair our mucles.

Just my 2c

]]> By: Shea http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-6231 Shea Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:15:52 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-6231 Brad, Fantastic analysis documented very well. I am also an academic, so I appreciate the chain of references you provide in support of your positions throughout all your materials. You establish and support your points so clearly that I am pretty much convinced about the health benefits of periodic fasting in addition to 'just' the caloric restriction. Having said that, I do have a couple of questions I am hoping you can answer for me. To begin, as you mention numerous times, one of the benefits of ESE is that you can follow any type of diet guidelines you choose in concert with ESE. I was/am following a low-carb plan before I came across ESE, and I find that the combination of these two seems to be working very well together (so far, I am losing at about 4 lbs./week). As you know, Atkins, et al., emphasize ketosis and the production and burning of ketones as the main rationale for maintaining low carb counts. So: 1) Are ketones the "free fatty acids" you refer to so often? 2) In the Advanced Transcripts, you do obliquely refer to low-carb/high-protein diets, but primarily in the context that the claims that high protein intake is beneficial because it stokes the metabolic furnace are false - or at least that the metabolic gains from higher protein do not amount to very much. However it seems to me that your research supports the idea that carb restriction to the point of ketosis would be beneficial in terms of fat burning because even though the metabolism may not be boosted all that much, at least the calories being burned during ketosis are necessarily from oxidizing body fat, just not induced by fasting. This seems to me a fitting explanation for why and how my fat loss is double the 1-2 pounds per week you suggest as plausible from ESE. If this is the case, I am also curious about the role of growth hormone (GH) in this process, as from your research it is not clear that GH would be activated in lieu of fasting. So is ketosis a non-GH induced beta oxidation process? At any rate, my plan is to keep on with the low carb thing (averaging around 40-50 g carbs a day) in concert with ESE for this first couple of months or so, and then transitioning to just ESE when the low carb thing gets old. I figure by about then my gains from low carbing will have begun to decrease at an increasing rate anyways, and it is nice to know that I will not have to keep up that style of eating indefinitely - just until I don't feel like doing it anymore. Finally, would it be too strong to conceptualize the 24 hour fasting period as literally like exercising for 24 hours straight (minus the muscle-catabolizing and building effects, of course)? Thanks in advance, you have really put together an amazingly strong package... Shea Brad,
Fantastic analysis documented very well. I am also an academic, so I appreciate the chain of references you provide in support of your positions throughout all your materials. You establish and support your points so clearly that I am pretty much convinced about the health benefits of periodic fasting in addition to ‘just’ the caloric restriction. Having said that, I do have a couple of questions I am hoping you can answer for me.

To begin, as you mention numerous times, one of the benefits of ESE is that you can follow any type of diet guidelines you choose in concert with ESE. I was/am following a low-carb plan before I came across ESE, and I find that the combination of these two seems to be working very well together (so far, I am losing at about 4 lbs./week). As you know, Atkins, et al., emphasize ketosis and the production and burning of ketones as the main rationale for maintaining low carb counts. So:

1) Are ketones the “free fatty acids” you refer to so often?

2) In the Advanced Transcripts, you do obliquely refer to low-carb/high-protein diets, but primarily in the context that the claims that high protein intake is beneficial because it stokes the metabolic furnace are false – or at least that the metabolic gains from higher protein do not amount to very much. However it seems to me that your research supports the idea that carb restriction to the point of ketosis would be beneficial in terms of fat burning because even though the metabolism may not be boosted all that much, at least the calories being burned during ketosis are necessarily from oxidizing body fat, just not induced by fasting. This seems to me a fitting explanation for why and how my fat loss is double the 1-2 pounds per week you suggest as plausible from ESE. If this is the case, I am also curious about the role of growth hormone (GH) in this process, as from your research it is not clear that GH would be activated in lieu of fasting. So is ketosis a non-GH induced beta oxidation process?

At any rate, my plan is to keep on with the low carb thing (averaging around 40-50 g carbs a day) in concert with ESE for this first couple of months or so, and then transitioning to just ESE when the low carb thing gets old. I figure by about then my gains from low carbing will have begun to decrease at an increasing rate anyways, and it is nice to know that I will not have to keep up that style of eating indefinitely – just until I don’t feel like doing it anymore.

Finally, would it be too strong to conceptualize the 24 hour fasting period as literally like exercising for 24 hours straight (minus the muscle-catabolizing and building effects, of course)?

Thanks in advance, you have really put together an amazingly strong package…

Shea

]]> By: Brad Pilon http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-6048 Brad Pilon Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:52:50 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-6048 Cecile, It's a good point, however it still falls under the argument of simply calories. The food are the vehicle (as you pointed out) but the result is still the calorie balance. B Cecile,

It’s a good point, however it still falls under the argument of simply calories. The food are the vehicle (as you pointed out) but the result is still the calorie balance.

B

]]> By: Cecile http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-6047 Cecile Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:40:18 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-6047 One thing I've been wondering in all of this is - while it may mainly matter how many calories you eat rather than what foods they come from, couldn't it be true that eating certain kinds of foods will help you eat fewer calories by making you less hungry? For instance, even if I could get all the protein I need in a day just from grains, would they really satisfy my appetite enough for long enough to allow me to maintain a low enough caloric intake comfortably? One thing I’ve been wondering in all of this is – while it may mainly matter how many calories you eat rather than what foods they come from, couldn’t it be true that eating certain kinds of foods will help you eat fewer calories by making you less hungry? For instance, even if I could get all the protein I need in a day just from grains, would they really satisfy my appetite enough for long enough to allow me to maintain a low enough caloric intake comfortably?

]]> By: Brad Pilon http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-5998 Brad Pilon Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:31:23 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-5998 It doesn't really contradict me. It actually proves my point. Well, specifically it proves the points in How Much Protein. B It doesn’t really contradict me. It actually proves my point.

Well, specifically it proves the points in How Much Protein.

B

]]> By: Ray http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-5997 Ray Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:16:22 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-5997 Brad, have a look at this article. It seems to contradict some of your findings: http://www.precisionnutrition.com/all-about-protein Brad, have a look at this article. It seems to contradict some of your findings:

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/all-about-protein

]]> By: AJ Mirwani http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-5973 AJ Mirwani Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:48:51 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-5973 Hi Brad, This is interesting. I've recently dove head first into nutrition, and I've learned about the benefits of balancing your proteins, fats, and carbs. I also know the impact of excessive carbs, however I'm not quite sure what happens when someone takes in too much protein at a cellular level (i.e. excess glucagon)? Does it pass into the bloodstream as tryglycierides like insulin (induced by carbs) does? Hi Brad,
This is interesting. I’ve recently dove head first into nutrition, and I’ve learned about the benefits of balancing your proteins, fats, and carbs. I also know the impact of excessive carbs, however I’m not quite sure what happens when someone takes in too much protein at a cellular level (i.e. excess glucagon)? Does it pass into the bloodstream as tryglycierides like insulin (induced by carbs) does?

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]]> By: David @ The Fat Loss Authority http://bradpilon.com/muscle-building/weight-training/how-much-protein-in-one-meal/#comment-5969 David @ The Fat Loss Authority Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:25:41 +0000 http://bradpilon.com/?p=710#comment-5969 I've read about this as well back in my bodybuilding days. From personal experience I've noticed the extra protein doesn't necessarily jive with my digestive system and tends to be passed on through my body as extra gas. Just something to keep in mind as your body readjusts to the additional protein. I’ve read about this as well back in my bodybuilding days. From personal experience I’ve noticed the extra protein doesn’t necessarily jive with my digestive system and tends to be passed on through my body as extra gas.

Just something to keep in mind as your body readjusts to the additional protein.

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