Studies I’d like to see – Muscle Testing
After a two year hiatus, I’ve started bench pressing again.
Really, I have no business benching. My shoulders are shot and I’ve always had a love hate relationship with this particular exercise.
I’ve always had a really good bench for my size (Love), and the bench has punished me for this on numerous occasions (Hate…really, really strong hate).
Despite these facts, about a month ago I bought Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 e-book and was inspired to maybe give the bench press one more chance.
In order to do my absolute best to keep myself functioning during this little fling, I have committed to see my Osteopath when ever I have any shoulder/neck issues.
Why an Osteo? Well she’s a message therapist/Osteo and I’ve had good luck with her in the past.
Now this post has nothing to do with the bench press or osteopathy…but it was a good lead into my story.
This morning I was at my Osteo’s office. She happens to share an office with a Naturopath (stop me if you’ve heard this one before).
As I was paying my bill the Naturopath came out of her office with her patient. As the patient was checking out the Naturopath instructed her to hold her arm straight out in front of her.
The Naturopath then held various bottles to the woman’s chest while simultaneously pushing down on her outstretched arm.
Apparently this is called ‘muscle testing’. The theory is that this one simple diagnostic can tell you how your body reacts to different things.
‘bad’ things will make you noticeably and instantly weaker, while ‘good’ things will make you instantly stronger (In this case something called ‘arnica’ made her stronger, while her cell-phone made her ‘off the charts’ weaker).
This is the description I found at goodhealthinfo.net:
fundamental to traditional Chinese medicine, muscle testing is a noninvasive way of evaluating the body’s imbalances and assessing its needs. It involves testing the body’s responses when applying slight pressure to a large muscle, to provide information on energy blockages, the functioning of the organs, nutritional deficiencies, and food sensitivities, among other things. It can also be used to test the body’s responses to herbs and other remedies.
Now, I have no problems with ‘fringe’ ideas. Admittedly I’m a skeptic at heart, but I consider myself a rare form of skeptic – I’m an optimistic skeptic – I REALLY would love for these things to work, but I beleive they need to be properly tested (and the skeptic in me doubts many things are able to pass proper testing).
With muscle testing, I want to see evidence of repetition and reproducibility. Meaning it should be tested multiple times and have similar measurable results each time.
So here is a quick study that any masters student could/can do.
1. Set up a force transducer (a device that measures force) along a length of chain.
2. Have your subjects stretch their arm in front of them while holding the length of chain.
3. Take a baseline measurement of how much force it takes to lower your subjects arm while they are resisting. (they’re trying to keep their arm parallel to the ground, you are pulling their arm down while measuring the amount of force you are using)
4. (only for science geeks ==> use this number to set your acceptable range then conduct your power analysis to figure out how many subjects/measurements you will need)
5. Place random objects in individual black bags (Arnica Montana, Aspartame, Echinacea, ginseng, creatine, a cell-phone, some Lego blocks and rat poison)
6. While both the investigator and subject are blinded to what is in the bag, place the bag against the subjects chest as you ask them to resist as you pull their arm down.
7. Measure the force recorded by the force transducer.
8. Repeat this with the same subject on different days while giving the items in a different random order each time. Allow for a seven day period in between tests.
If the ‘bad’ things consistently and repeatedly cause a decrease in the force that the subjects can generate, while the ‘good’ things cause either an increase or no change in force, then I am all for muscle testing. And, I am completely open to the idea of using this as a diagnostic test.
However, until these tests are conducted, analyzed, peer reviewed and published, I think it can be potentially dangerous and misleading to use easily testable diagnositcs in medicine before they have been proven valid (and ESPECIALLY after they have been proven invalid on multiple occasions).
Proper measurement is a founding principle of science, when professionals are giving advice it is important that they ignore what they ‘want to work’ (the optimist in them) and concentrate on what has been proven to work (satisfying their inner skeptic)
BP
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Too hard? Not hard enough I’d say. I’ve been poking around on http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org and the ’standards’ the alt-medicine crowd sets for itself would make supplement companies shudder in horror.
Brad,
You need to read ” Power Vs. Force” by David Hawkins. This will give you all the information you need.
Regards
Turkish get ups with a kettlebell do shot shoulders a world of good.
Ah yes, the David Hawkins test. The problem with “muscle testing” is that is always works… except when it doesn’t.
It may have some use but people have really pushed the envelope, ie: claiming you can find lost children using muscle testing. And then when it doesn’t work it’s always the fault of the person doing the testing, never the method itself.
How is the overhead press challenge coming along? If memory serves me correct the goal was 185 in the spring time with the eventual goal of 225 right?
@Jimbo
I’m on track…160 for 4, but number 4 had a little extra leg drive in it!
I’m finding that as the weight gets heavier, foot positioning is becoming extremely critical.
B
@Oystein Lund
You’d probably really like “how to read a paper” by Trisha Greenhalgh, great book if you are into true standards of scientific inquiry.
B
Brad,
I wish we lived closer so I could blow your mind with what we like to call “the lifting thing.” It takes 5 people – 4 to lift and one to be lifted. The 4 clasp their hands together and stick out their index fingers. Then 2 lift the person from the armpits and 2 lift from behind the knee. The sitting person barely budges.
Here’s where the voodoo comes in: each of the 4 lifters takes turn placing a hand over the sitting person’s head… first the left then the right. Then a nice, slow removal, one by one. Now another lift attempt is made. The person being lifted will feel a wonderful sensation as they are easily lifted as high as desired by the 4 lifters.
As long as you are whisper quiet and do this slowly and methodically, the effect is pronounced and always amazes. It’s literally the hit of the party.
And fact is, it’s all B.S. I mean, it’s all mental. But we are easily duped and this party trick really illustrates the power of mind over matter and group think.
There is another one where the person holds their arm out, much like you described. Same principle.
@Venkat
That is absolutely correct, wonderful book!
Hi Brad,
What do you think of Joel Marion’s new book “Cheat your way thin diet”? I really value your opinion.
Thanks!
Erika
Brad, could you please write about how someone who is already quite lean, but looking to gain muscle, could use ESE? Thanks.
@Venkat
An excellent point. I have not read that book yet. I love theory and principle however, they do not replace the need for actual measurable evidence.
B
@Kelly
I’ve been using these the last couple months, might be part of why I’m able to bench again.
B
@Art
Wow..I’d need to see a video of that to really get it..but yeah..I’m thinking (but not positive) that its the exact same principles at play.
B
Brad,
If your shoulders are shot, you should really look into Rolfing, a/k/a Structural Integration. Since you like to research things and figure them out for yourself, I highly recommend you investigate this and find a certified Rolfer in your area.
Here is the Rolfing link
http://www.rolf.org/
I have always had good luck with muscle testing. It was the reason why I went and was testing for a wheat and dairy allergy and am now wheat/dairy free and much healthier for it. I am not sure if it ‘works’ in the traditional sense or if it is just helping us figure out what we already know on an intuitive level. Either way, I think it is one more good resource.
jen
http://www.bodaweightloss.com/blog
1.) There was a double-blind test published in the Journal of Perceptual and Motor Skills in 1999, using a computerized dynamometer, measuring foot-pounds per square inch of force applied, and time to failure, with the subjects making “congruent” (true) and “non-congruent” (false) statements. The results were statistically significant.
2.) Read Power vs. Force, by Dr. David Hawkins
3.) Right now, there are over 80 forms of therapy in the world, which use the clinical science of muscle testing and kinesiology. Tens of thousands of practitioners are treating hundreds of thousands of patients all over the world. Insurance doesn’t reimburse for these techniques and treatment protocols, which means that the patients generally have to pay cash. If muscle testing and kinesiology didn’t get good clinical results, people wouldn’t pay out of their pocket to keep seeing these practitioners.
I’ve been practicing muscle testing and kinesiology since 1991, and have been fortunate enough to have a waiting-list, all cash (no insurance) practice, thanks muscle testing.
I’m in New York, where the people have an extremely high “B.S. Meter”. If this stuff was hogwash, they definitely wouldn’t keep coming back, and sending all their friends and family.
Thanks.
Dr. Andrew Colyer
@Dr. Andrew Colyer
Andrew,
I was actually very interested in your comment until I realized you were just using my post to promote your on-line product.
I still think your post has value, however I’ve removed your links so that it maintains some credibility.
Since you have an advanced degree (I noticed you were a Chiropractor) I hope you understand my skeptism.
B
Hi Brad,
First I wanted to thank you for your fasting approch. I tried a lot of diets and I noticed that the IF approch was the best for me (i prefer the alternate diet but ESE approch is also very interresting).
Secondly, I am a french osteopath, my office is in Nice (French Riviera) and I am also an anatomy teacher at the University of Sports Science at Nice.
I am a sceptic and a scientific person and I can tell you that muscle testing (also called Applied Kinesiology) is BS!!! Yes absolutly!!! It has been proven that the applied kinesiology is the product of pure fate.
Here is the link to wikipedia where you can read all the studies done in applied kinesiology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_kinesiology
Thanks again and good reading
Gerald
PS: excuse my english
Hi I would like to point out that muscle testing is NOT part of Traditional Chinese Medicine. I don’t know where they were getting their info but it is not in any of the classic texts, it is not part of any schools required curriculum and it is not tested on either state or national board exams.
Please don’t associate muscle testing with Chinese Medicine as they are not related at all.
Sincerly
Ryan Girard
Ryan,
Thanks for clearing this up and shedding some light on the situation.
B